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September 01, 2006

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sgazzetti

When I was in the army, c. Bush the Elder, recruiters were known as "body snatchers". Probably a less pejorative term is used now.

Even when you're in boot camp and *hating* the drill instructors, you are fully aware that they are working WAY harder than you are, and than the government can possibly be paying them adequately for.

If our diplomatic outposts have to be maintained as fortified compounds, I'm with you: the marines seem to to do it well.

Noel Maurer

Sgazzetti: you may know, intellectually, that the drill sergeants are working harder than you are ... but I'm pretty sure that not a whole lot of Army recruits really understood that in their guts, where it counts.

Part of the job is making it look easy, right?

The Army has quite explicitly and deliberately made boot camp less stressful and easier in the last few years. I'm not giving a "in my day they shot you right in the head if you made a wrong step in D&C" kind of blather. This is very explicit Army policy. What I'd be curious to see is if there is any evidence, adjusting for the recruit's pre-boot camp characteristics, that easier training has affected performance any.

Ironically, the Army first reacted to the fact that Gulf War 2 was resolutely refusing to end on schedule by making boot camp quite a bit harder. It then reversed course in late 2005 as the recruiting shortfalls became more acute.

http://forums.military.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/2681962206/m/2040069150001

Anyone know anything about how the change is playing out? I tend to think it's a positive move, but I have no evidence.

Bernard Guerrero

Anyone know anything about how the change is playing out? I tend to think it's a positive move, but I have no evidence.

Hmmnn. I was going to say that I wouldn't be surprised, given that the soldiering skill-set has changed so much, but on second thought I don't think that's what you're getting at. I haven't spoken to anybody from my old unit in a bit, though, and their only deployment during the recent unpleasantries has been to Guantanamo, so the newbies won't have been put through their paces. So to speak.

Joseph Eros

A couple of comments:

A bunch of the guys I knew in the Army who had been deployed in Kosovo had become somehow convinced that being a Marine embassy guard was the best military job in the world: a nonstop party, complete with copious alcohol and loose women. I tended to doubt this, but said nothing since I was unwilling to seem to be defending the jarheads. Cowardly, I know.

In the course of my own basic training (late 2001), I think most of the guys eventually did come to realize how difficult the drill sergeants' jobs were. But not for at least 6 weeks, I'd say.

I agree with Noel that it would be nice to see if there's any data on if (and/or how) the changes in training have affected performance.

Andrew Reeves

*Ahem*The Army has drill sergeants. The Marine Corps has Drill Instructors.

Bernard Guerrero

The Army has drill sergeants. The Marine Corps has Drill Instructors.

And you call them "sir", which no self-respecting Army drill would ever let pass without a cliched "Sir? I work for a &#%%$%@ living! Down!" :^)

Carlos

JE, I've known people who, in far lands, dated American embassy guards. I'm not saying more. I wasn't there.

Bernard Guerrero

Well, jeez, Carlos, you weren't in Ming China, either, and I've seen you comment on _that_. Besides, we live in a quantum universe. Spooky action-at-a-distance and all that. In a sense, you _were_ there. So talk.

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