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April 25, 2005


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The libertaianists on rasfw seem to like quoting Heinlein's "An armed society is a polite society" a lot.

Pietro Quaroni's wonderful material seems to indicate that the Albanians were certainly honest, and perhaps polite as well.

And of course, we now know that "An armed society leaves bodies rotting in the street" is also true.


Oddly enough, Graeme, said quoters are also not very polite.

Traditional Albanians appear to be more honest than early medieval Icelanders, who never met an agreement they didn't want to loophole out of. (Of course, this might be selection bias in the surviving record.) I get the distinct impression that should one have tried that under the Kanun, one would be left rotting in the street to general applause.

I think I will post another Quaroni anecdote before moving to the comparative stuff.


Bernard Guerrero

"And of course, we now know that "An armed society leaves bodies rotting in the street" is also true."

A properly value-neutral statement. Whether the act itself is "bad" or "good", of course, depends a great deal on who the body was.

I'm looking forward to this, Carlos. Finals are upon us, so I'm in the proper frame of mind.

Doug Muir

Ottoman central rule broke down in a lot of places. But only Albania found this... lawful anarchy.

Maybe some historical context?

Doug M.


I would like to first start off by saying I am Albanian, 100%. These codes were established during Ottoman rule to keep Albanian families from fighting one another at the fear of death. It was effective and still is effective. "And even in church you can still getta nine to your face". Disputes ended in blood so others could see how wrong it was to fight and what fighting does. It is true that Albanians are taught a huge amount of respect for everything even life, moral value, honor, dignity, and honesty.

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