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March 18, 2005

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Bernard Guerrero

Why's the taint of fascism so closely linked only to Tudor that removing him can clean things up?

Bogdan

Bernard, actually, PRM and Vadim are not fascist, although they do share some characteristics with them (anti-semitism and nationalism).

There are some genuine fascist parties such as Noua Dreapt http://www.nouadreapta.org/ or Becali and Partidul Noua Generaie both of which find their roots in the interbellum Legionnaires.

Bogdan

Bernard, actually, PRM and Vadim are not fascist, although they do share some characteristics with them (anti-semitism and nationalism).

There are some genuine fascist parties such as Noua Dreapt http://www.nouadreapta.org/ or Becali and Partidul Noua Generaie both of which find their roots in the interbellum Legionnaires.

Marian Soare

Your take on Romanian politics is schematic and superficial. To understand what PRM is and stands for, one would have do at least some study on the last decade of the Romanian communism and first post revolutionary years. It has to do with the most obscure core of the old regime. PRM people shares the same line of thinking with PSD people. There are already in the public domain documents that show that Vadim Tudor was given green light to start its smearing campaigns in Romania Mare Magazine just days after the Iliescu's victory in 20 May 1990 elections. His jobs was to do what for the new "legitimate" power would have been more difficult without loosing completely its last respectability traces. And it was keeping doing this since then. The occasionally Vadim Tudor's outbursts against Iliescu or Nastase are just to show "look I am independent", otherwise in all elections and other critical moments he played diligently its initially assigned role.
The recent story should be seen in the same line, just some jamming on the right side of the political spectrum, in the moment when some clarifications are just about to take place.

If Vadim Tudor is nationalist or antisemitic is rather secondary. He can be very well internationalist, europenist and philosemitic (as we just have seen). Its rhetoric has deep roots in Romanian version of communism of Ceausescu years. To understand it one either should have lived the '70 and '80 in Romania or has to do some intense reading on the subject.

Marian Soare

Mike Ralls

A bit ago you asked what you'd like people to see you post. Your take on Eastern Europe is always cool, but given his passing some comments on George F. Kennan might be neat. I tried to start a thread on him on SHWI but I think it got drowned in the Spammer.

Bernard Guerrero

Mike,

What, another one? You think they'd have something more productive to do, like phishing or e-mailing little old ladies from their bank offices in Nigeria or such.

Mike Ralls

Bernard,

Yea, another H-denying asshat is flooding SHWI, with tons of cross-posting. I use google, so it's gotten very hard to read the newsgroup.

douglas

Marian, it's certainly possible that my understanding of Romanian politics is superficial. But I have discussed the possibility that Tudor is a tool or stalking horse for Mr. Iliescu and his allies. Certainly during the Presidential election it was pretty obvious that he was attacking Basescu almost exclusively.

That said, I think at least some of the PRM leadership would like to be respectable. If they could be part of government, then they could be kingmakers, holding the balance between PSD and the Alliance. But that can't happen until they rebrand themselves.

My (probably schematic and superficial) analysis is that this is their first attempt to do just that. And that Vadim is going along because he thinks he can rule from behind the scenes.

But it probably won't be enough. And when they realize that, things will get interesting.


Doug M.

douglas

Whoops, I almost forgot: Vadim as ideology-free opportunist?

Well, /yeah/. He used to be Ceausescu's court poet, for goodness' sake. He was a fervent Communist, an atheist materialist, and completely devoted to the Conducator. Then he was a fervently Orthodox, anti-Semitic, anti-Hungarian populist nationalist. Now he's a philosemite and all about Europe. If being a left-handed monarchist Muslim was the path to power, he'd be that tomorrow.

This isn't just a Romanian thing, BTW. The last generation of Communism produced a lot of those all over Eastern Europe. Milosevic, most obviously, but many others.


Doug M.

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