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October 26, 2004

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Diane

Actually, there have been articles in several US papers about a British newspaper (the Guardian?) that's been encouraging its readers to write to US citizens in swing states explaining why they should vote Bush out of office.

Unfortunately, if the snooty, condescending example they printed is typical, it's likely to have the opposite effect.

I mean, I'm a solid Kerry/Edwards vote (I started out an ABB vote-- anybody but Bush-- but I've come to the conclusion Kerry would actually do a creditable job) and that letter irritated -me- enough that if I was still 'undecided' I might vote for Bush out of sheer perversity.

Except, of course, that anything that keeps you, Doug and the Yeltar-lets from moving back to the States is a Bad Thing, and that would switch "me" back again.

If I were still "undecided", which I'm not. At all. :)

Bernard Guerrero

I'm afraid, alas, that I can't take you up on your recommendation[FN1]. I'll be off neutralizing Carlos' vote, for all that's worth in NY. But I'm glad you got Doug to take care of his civic duty on time, nonetheless.

Bernard Guerrero

[FN1] I am considering voting Dem in our local elections, though. Solidly anti-development, which should put a nice floor under local property values. Supply and demand rocks!

Carlos

Bernard, I have my Mondale-Ferraro sign all ready for the riots. (It's authentic. Yes, I was already that cynical in 1984.)

For me, it's a darn shame that not even the Wisconsin guy in the incumbency can do his job right. This goes beyond party affiliation to basic questions of competence.

Perhaps, should Bush be re-elected, the shock of nearly losing what should have been a shoo-in might spur some changes in the administration, much like Sherman taking over Rossley's duties has put some life back in the Packers (take _that_, Parcells!).

But, given the administration's known resistance to changing failed courses of action, I wouldn't bet on it. Amerisclerosis.

C.

Andrew Gray

One of the most amusing things I've seen in the past couple of months was an American student, in the UK, being sat down by two Scots (of whom I was one) that she'd just met, who proceeded to explain at some length why it was really vitally important to us that she please make sure to vote...

...and then we sort of got sidetracked and scared her by discussing Barack Obama enthusiastically for twenty minutes. There's something very, very strange about two foreigners explaining how wonderful a politician from a given country is to a native who didn't seem to know who they were.

Gareth Wilson

That looks great for a home-made yard sign. How did you make it?

claudia

Gareth -- thanks for the compliment. But if I tell you, you'll make a Bush one, right? ;-)

Ah, well. I printed out one of the desktop wallpapers in the download section on Kerry's website, glued it on some heavy carton, wrapped it in a plastic sheet, sealed everything nicely shut to prevent water from accumulating inside, and attached a broken stick from one of the boys' push toys. Took about half an hour.

Really, the most fun was hearing Doug laugh when he came home and saw the sign.

We are also going to have a little "watch" with some friends on the morning of November 3rd, to see the results coming in (time zones are handy, sometimes). I have champagne ready for celebration, and palinka for drinking ourselves into a stupor if things go wrong for our side. It'll be a little like watching the Eurovision contest...

Of course, it might turn out to be another week-long watch. [Sigh]

Syd Webb

Claudia,

You do realise that even if that nice John Kerry is elected, he's going to break your heart? Still, the lesser of two evils is still a darn sight better than the greater of two evils.

- Syd

Bernard Guerrero

The Hell you say!

Natalie Getzoff

Well, I will be performing my civic duty on Tuesday. Then I will go to sleep early that night and (hopefully) awaken to a bright new day. After the agony of 2000 (I remember shrieking at the TV "why is Florida now red???"), I can't bear to watch again.

My family members are taking things a bit further. My brother is flying to Cleveland on Saturday (after sending in his absentee ballot) to stump for Kerry and drive only Democrats to the polls on 11/2. This is a private completely partisan get-out-the-vote effort on his part. One of my cousins, who works on Capitol Hill, will be leaving Friday for Philadelphia basically to do the same thing. Now all we have to do is keep Larry on his current path and things will remain peaceful in my household.

Natalie

Bernard Guerrero

"After the agony of 2000 (I remember shrieking at the TV "why is Florida now red???"), I can't bear to watch again."

Really? We think it's gonna be a good show. Kettle corn, jalapeno poppers, beer, the works. Should blow the Superbowl out of the water. (Sorry, Carlos)

Carlos

Really? We think it's gonna be a good show. Kettle corn, jalapeno poppers, beer, the works. Should blow the Superbowl out of the water. (Sorry, Carlos)

Sometimes, not even the Superbowl is the most important game of the season.

Go Pack!

C.

Bojan

ya know what's funny? Up until I read Claudia's log I thought the guy's name is Kerry Edwards
what a revelation... those are two persons :)

Gareth Wilson

"Gareth -- thanks for the compliment. But if I tell you, you'll make a Bush one, right? ;-)"
Certainly not, I'm for Brother Voodoo:
http://voodoo.politedissent.com/candidates.htm

Lois Fundis

Claudia, that's a very nice sign! It looks very much like the ones in my yard. (Which I picked up at the local Democratic Party office, an option I realize you don't have in Romania.) I congratulate you on your ingenuity in making one.

I know several couples like your in-laws, where one (and it usually seems to be the wife) is for Kerry and the other (husband) is for Bush. My sister and her husband, for one. And my other sister and *her* husband, for another. And it could be worse: in the last election one of my friends was complaining that her mother said that if Gore won, she'd move to Canada, and meanwhile her husband said that if Bush won, *he'd* move to Canada. Neither one actually did move, though.

Jane H

I live in Illinois, & I actually get to vote for Barack Obama! And will do so!!

Bernard Guerrero

Lois,

They never do, they never do....

Larry

Unhappy with the candidates? Try one of these instead. I kind of like Jack Grimes :-)

http://www.politics1.com/p2004.htm

chris

"If Bush wins we won't visit our family"??? Wow, so much for compassion and tolerance.
4 more years! But if not, it's nice to know that the smarter(?), friendlier("global test"er of waters) Kerry will evidently solve any and all of our problems. Unfortunately the world's best Monday morning Quarterback will have to start playing on Sunday where you have to call the plays in real time. It would be fun to watch. (It will be mind-numbing how often the "it's Bush's fault" excuse will be used in a Kerry term.) But I can honestly say, even though I dread a Kerry administration, I would be an American first and never join those Euro-whiners if they should ever resent an unpopular stand he may take. I'm an American first, Republican second. (Actually I'm a member of a family first and THEN an American...etc.) And if Kerry is a real leader there will be such unpopular times. (So actually there may not be such times. :))
Hopefully I won't have to worry about it...

(I love your blogs about your Romanian experience but I have to say, your political, typically democratic out-of-power rants sometimes make it difficult to enjoy them.)
(The bright side of a Kerry victory, besides all of our problems being solved of course, is that we won't have to put up with them?)

Andrew Reeves

As long as the rest of shwi seems to be here, I'll give my $.02. Even though I'm voting in Texas, I voted for Kerry by absentee ballot so I could make my feelings known as to how I feel about GW's perverse efforts to bankrupt the government.
Claudia, you should probably reconsider, since America under a Bush administration second term not going to be as scary a place as it seems from across the Atlantic.
Bernard, I hope you enjoy your viewing of the electoral chaos. As for me, I'm not sure whether I will be amused or disgusted by the inevitable sequence of fisticuffs at the polling places, loud protests from each side, and never ending lawsuits after the business is all over.

claudia

"If Bush wins we won't visit our family"??? Wow, so much for compassion and tolerance.

Don't put words into my mouth, Chris. I said "we will not live in the US" which is quite a different thing.

But if not, it's nice to know that the smarter(?), friendlier("global test"er of waters) Kerry will evidently solve any and all of our problems.

Again, Chris, please don't shout at me for someting I didn't say. I said: "I'm not saying they are the greatest or that they will everything wonderful and good. But they will make things better..."

We have no problem with people of any political persuasion showing up to post here. Both Bernard and Gareth are Bush-supporters and I like them both a lot. But I don't like commentors who put words in my mouth, yell, have bad manners, or seem to want to start flame wars.

You're edging in that direction, Chris. So consider this a "yellow card". If you don't know what that is, find a Euro-whiner, and ask him or her to explain it to you.

I love your blogs about your Romanian experience but I have to say, your political, typically democratic out-of-power rants sometimes make it difficult to enjoy them.

Then go away and read something else.

I don't mean to be unpleasant. And you've made some nice comments before, which we've really appreciated. But our political opinions are party of who we are and they're something that we're going to write about. I'm not American, but my children are, and they're going to grow up in the US. So that means I have opinions, sometimes strong ones. If reading them makes you cranky and ill-tempered, then maybe you shouldn't read them. (FWIW, I'm Green by German standards, and liberal by American standards. So you know where I stand.)

It'll all be over in a few days anyhow (we hope), one way or another. What say we pick this up again, then.

Claudia -- Euro-whiner extraordinaire

Bernard Guerrero

Andrew,

"Bernard, I hope you enjoy your viewing of the electoral chaos. As for me, I'm not sure whether I will be amused or disgusted by the inevitable sequence of fisticuffs at the polling places, loud protests from each side, and never ending lawsuits after the business is all over."

Ah, sit back and enjoy. It's only politics, man. If it were really important, a heck of a lot more would have been spent on it than actually has been. (By way of comparison, current spending on the Presidential election is on the same order of magnitude as gets spent annually to market cholesterol-lowering drugs.) Chump-change. We might as well get a good show out of it.

Chris,
Chill man. See above.

Claudia,
"It'll all be over in a few days anyhow (we hope)"
Hope springs eternal, but I'm betting on X-mas.

Bernard Guerrero

BTW, feague is my new word-of-the-week! Don't like that driver who cut you off? "Feague you, buddy!" Machine down-time at work a problem? "Feaguing I.S. let a trojan horse in." Election got you down? "It's all feaguing (insert candidate or official of choice)'s fault. Feague him (or her) come 2008 (or other appropriate date)!"

Feague on!

Natalie Getzoff

Well, the Redskins lost. I am not a football fan by a stretch of anyone's imagination, and I don't root for the home team even in a half-hearted way. But I was rooting for them to lose this game....

Chris:
Play nice in this sandbox, please.

Natalie -- who is voting for Kerry, but would vote against Bush if it meant Cladia Doug and the boys would move here...

Carlos

Packers 28, Redskins 14. Man, the Pack should have put it away long before that. The Crooked Timberites are discussing a picky but accurate call that reversed the Redskin momentum in the fourth quarter, thank goodness. And Favre dinged his thumb again; I am very glad that there's a bye week coming up. He's nearly indestructible, but sometimes I wonder if he's not like Holmes's one-horse shay, and that some fine day he might disintegrate into a pile of quarterback dust.

Bernard, it's well-known American politicians are bargain priced; and revealed preferences aren't always revealing.

C.

Bernard Guerrero

Carlos,

So sad to see a perfectly servicable meaningless correlation go to waste. :^) Next up: Xmas and the DJIA.

"revealed preferences aren't always revealing."

Ho, ho! I'm talking about spending only on _marketing_. But you could, I suppose, argue that the political product sells itself. Like porn or something. (Insert any one of a number of jokes and puns that leap to mind here)

Bernard Guerrero

BTW, I'd just like to put in an electoral shout-out to our Filipino-American friends out there in Hawaii!

Chris

Wow, I had no idea I would run into so much hypersensitivity and ruffle so many feathers in this sandbox. A "flame war"? "Chill" would definitely be some good advice here Bern bud. I apologize for once more overestimating the toughness of liberals darn it. And I also apologize for the mistaken impression that I was "yelling". (But honestly I think that impression says more about the reader than the writer.) I don't think I've ever yelled in a conversation in my life. I really need to make more of an effort of getting my sense of humor across. And finally, thank you for the yellow card instead of red-carding me and tossing me out without warning. (Would a red card mean I just can't post anymore or would I be banned from the whole site?)
My excuse (lame as it is) is that I thought surely I was on safe ground by not approaching such rediculous and really offensive accusations you've made like being "blind" if you are a republican or that a vote for Bush is a vote for "evil". I would think that THOSE are "flame wars", yellow-card type statements.
I would never accuse Kerry of being "evil" and thereby insinuate that a supporter of Kerry is a supporter of evil. That would be absurd. But I realize you make the rules here and don't have to take what you dish out, but come on, if you're going to play the game let's toughen up out there.
But regardless, I never liked playing that game much anyway so it's definitely not worth being banned from your great Romanian experiences; therefore consider me officially chastened and "chilled". I'll just learn to skim over any offensive (unintentional I'm sure) political comments.

Go Kerry!! (the double exclamation mark denotes my very first offical yell.)(that felt good.)

(P.S. I'm still waiting for a trip to Herastrau..:)

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